jvlLemme guess,.... no Jew food at Golden Corral ?? BarkBarkBite2013-12-02 00:28:43I live in a Palace. You live in a shithole. Wow.spkOH MY GOD!! I AM ALWAYS HERE!!!! § the-antilib372013-12-02 00:28:31jvlDial 00000000 For Armageddon Truedizzle2013-12-02 00:28:05"For nearly 20 years, the secret code to authorize launching U.S. nuclear missiles, and starting World War III, was terrifyingly simple and even noted down on a checklist. From 1962, when John F Kennedy instituted PAL encoding on nuclear weapons, until 1977, the combination to fire the devastating missiles at the height of the Cold War was just 00000000. This was chosen by Strategic Air Command in an effort to make the weapons as quick and as easy to launch as possible, as reported by Today I Found Out." http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2515598/Launch-code-US-nuclear-weapons-easy-00000000.htmljvlI don't see how your example doesn't ziggy5552013-12-02 00:27:10involve something that acts just like a state. Who is it that judges the legality and the arguments in each case? What gives them the authority to do that? Who is it that administers force if someone refuses to obey the judgements of the court? Whoever those entities are, they sure sound like a state.jvlI don't think that a large society could ziggy5552013-12-02 00:20:51be stable without a common set of laws. And if there are laws, there has to be an authority that is able to use force to enforce those laws, just like in the example you gave below involving chickens and the use of force by 'someone' (but not the state, presumably).jvlI will take no life advice from you loser. Go su 1memememe2013-12-02 00:19:16ck down some gas station vodka and plan for your next UE long term experiences until you reach retirement age.jvlI don't see how that is any different from ziggy5552013-12-02 00:18:47the current system. You started off by saying that no one would have the right to initiate force. But then you said that, after all reasonable legal avenues were exhausted, force would then be justified. So how would it be different with the US court system if I stole 10 chickens from you? You would accuse me and have a lawyer send a letter announcing the law suit. You'd bring it to court. If I didn't show up, only then would force be justified.jvlGo take your kid to football practice...... BarkBarkBite2013-12-02 00:16:18I did.jvlIt would probably be similar to the court system Truedizzle2013-12-02 00:13:15we have, except for one glaring difference, no one involved would have the right to initiate force. So let's say I have a grievance with my neighbor, he stole 10 chickens from me, I would go to a court, they would send him a letter saying you're being accused of such and such, maybe give him a window of time to plead his case, etc, then they would have a trial, if he didn't show up he would be tried in absentia, if he was found guilty then he would get another letter explaining what resitution he needed to make, if he failed to comply, THEN force could be invoked, because he obviously didn't care enough to defend himself. Now what would prevent frivolous suits? Well, whoever lost the case would pay all the legal fees (and there would of course be opportunity for appeals, etc). What happens now? Well all the costs and risks of legal action accrue to the state (taxpayers) so there is no incentive not to make spurious accusations and lawsuits. Of course this is all just my conjecture about how the system would work, I always have to stress that if I lived in 1860 and you asked me "how ever will cotton be picked if the slaves are freed!?" My answer would have been, "I don't know, but slavery is immoral, so it needs to end."jvlI was using the term society to refer to ziggy5552013-12-02 00:12:38a group of people who share something in common. I can't think of a society that doesn't share a common set of laws. Can you? And are there examples of societies with multiple currencies? And in terms of initiating force against the government, parts of the government initiate force against other parts according to the law and the will of the people. If what you said was true, no government official and no government action would ever be legally questioned. Obviously, this is not the case. Hopefully you'll answer another question I asked down below since it ties in directly to the topic of law and use of force.jvlBut the lawyers and citizens ultimately have no Truedizzle2013-12-02 00:06:34legal right to initiate force against the government, but the reverse relationship is completely different. That's the main issue that tilts the table inevitably in the state's favor. It doesn't matter if the laws are written or unwritten, any organization that has a legal ability to initiate force (break the NAP or law) is bound to be corrupt, and is immoral right out of the gate. I really hate to nitpick, but you're using society as a sort of catch-all phrase for whatever you want it to mean. First it meant the law, now you use it to mean a nation or country. A society is a group of people living in proximity and depending on each other for trade, community, etc. A nation is something totally different.jvlLooks like I'm better off without your "2 degree 1memememe2013-12-02 00:03:49s". I owe jack shit and make way more than you. Less "alleged degrees", the better it seems. Ya, some bullshit scam TV college didn't work out huh. Mister smarty pants. You can cling onto your position on this, like people that were expecting a comet to hit earth...easier to do that than face the fact that you GOT BONED and OWE MONEY for it.jvlI actually appreciate how she asked honest Truedizzle2013-12-01 23:57:04questions and raises real debate, instead of the childish dismissals I get from most people.jvlI can easily prove both.......... BarkBarkBite2013-12-01 23:56:14My Dad is proud of what I accomplished.jvlOoooppsss........ BarkBarkBite2013-12-01 23:53:58I have 2 College Degrees...... You have zero. OOOOppppsssss...jvlI'm a service co, there is a diff. Or didn't you 1memememe2013-12-01 23:49:40learn that in college. Oh, I forgot...not really college, you bought into and owe that bullshit "cullinary arts scam school of Pittsburgh" and claim that as "college".jvlYou mentioned the non-aggression principle. ziggy5552013-12-01 23:47:35Correct me if I'm wrong, but the idea is that if everyone in a society followed the non-aggression principle, there would be no need for any laws. Is that basically it? The non-aggression principle is about doing away with laws administered by the state?jvlI see no disadvantage to having a single ziggy5552013-12-01 23:43:19body regulate currency. It doesn't have to be the government. But having a common currency does lubricate trade. And I see no problem with having a single body administer law. Without a common law, is it really a society, or does it become competing societies?I don't support Obama, stupid. § do_japan2013-12-01 23:41:29jvlI don't need to read link, here's answer in shor 1memememe2013-12-01 23:40:50t: Because people bought China stuff, now the trickle up thing is in affect.Serves dems right for opposing the NSA do_japan2013-12-01 23:37:49Gawd, won't it be glorious when the GOP is in the majority again? Just think of all the things they will change... well, I can't think of any right now... but I'll get back to you.Dems used lies to sell a bad law 2013-12-01 23:37:23 I savor them getting exactly what they earned. jvlWhy I Am an Anarcho-Capitalist Truedizzle2013-12-01 23:37:00"Almost without a thought, people who otherwise support the market want to assign to government the production of the most important goods and services. Many favor a government or government-delegated monopoly on the production of money, and all support a government monopoly on the production of law and protection services. This isnt to say these folks are stupid or doltish. Nearly all of us passed through a limited-government or minarchist period, and it simply never occurred to us to examine our premises closely. To begin with, a few basic economic principles ought to give us pause before we assume government activity is advisable..." http://www.lewrockwell.com/2013/12/lew-rockwell/lew-rockwell-admits-it/The GOP is viewed as even worse. do_japan2013-12-01 23:35:07I wouldn't hold my breath on there being any hope of them improving anything.I hope you savor your hypothetical 2014 victory do_japan2013-12-01 23:34:00because that's really all conservatives will have to sing about for a long time.I've forgotten more big words than most people w 1memememe2013-12-01 23:33:27ill ever learn. I know more big words than regular people know small words. Must be in thousands.I do withhold my big words sometimes, as I 1memememe2013-12-01 23:25:22am preoccupied with my callipygian status.ottwhy should I? Enough Mexicans here already Unruh2013-12-01 23:23:28anyway.hnlthanks dodigdug2013-12-01 23:21:11if only i can live the life as well as youottHehehe, fair enough. do_japan2013-12-01 23:20:24I've lived in other countries, and there always something to bitch about. Fucking australia mandates all bicycle riders wear helmets, even in your own fucking driveway. What a bunch of fucking pansies.
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